Healing from Within: Jenna Smith's Journey from Trauma to Wholeness and the Power of Simply Being

Could the secret to overcoming life's hardest battles lie in the power of simply being? Join us as we welcome the extraordinary Jenna Smith—creator, shamanic intuitive, spiritual psychotherapist, and high-performance coach—who shares her awe-inspiring journey of conquering fibromyalgia and deep-seated family trauma.

Raised with a rebellious spirit in a Roman Catholic household, Jenna discovered the transformative power of energy work at a young age, shifting her life from chronic pain to profound healing. Her story is a testament to the incredible shifts when we align with our true selves and embrace a faith-oriented approach.

Ever wondered how your unresolved trauma might be manifesting in your daily life? Our conversation with Jenna dives deep into understanding trauma from a holistic perspective.

We explore how perfectionism and overthinking are often rooted in unprocessed emotional, psychological, and spiritual wounds. Jenna’s insights encourage us to view ourselves as inherently worthy and loved, stepping away from societal worth metrics and towards a sense of wholeness.

This episode illuminates the critical importance of mindfulness and resourcing for healing, reminding us that we are not broken but rather navigating different types of energy.

We discuss the importance of mindfulness and rest in high-energy activities and how societal conditioning has led us to prioritize independence over community. Jenna also gives us a glimpse into her exciting plans, including her aspirations in music and impactful keynote shows that blend storytelling and music.

Tune in for a transformative episode filled with profound insights and practical advice to help you connect with your true self and live a more mindful, fulfilling life.

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The Power of Being

Dai Manuel 0:09

Welcome to another episode of the 2% Solution Podcast . I'm your host , diamond Well , and today we have a truly transformative guest joining us . If you've ever felt like you were stuck in a cycle of doing , doing and doing but never truly being , then this episode is for you . Our guest today is the incredible Jenna Smith . She's a creator , a shamanic , intuitive , spiritual psychotherapist and a high-performance coach . Jenna has an awe-inspiring story , from overcoming fibromyalgia and family trauma to creating a thriving business and rediscovering her passion for singing . We're diving deep into the power of being overdoing , healing from trauma and finding your true self . So buckle up and get ready for a conversation that could very well be your own 2% moment of transformation . Let's welcome Jenna Smith to the show .

Jenna Smith 1:04

Is that a goal ?

Dai Manuel 1:05

You're man bun no no , no , no , I don't want a man bun .

Jenna Smith 1:09

You're not really a man bun person . No , I'm not .

Dai Manuel 1:14

I'm not a man bun guy and I lived in Bali for a few years and I'll tell you I saw my fill of man buns and I'm done .

Jenna Smith 1:23

I'm like no , I'm never joining the club fun story if you wanted to record this for the thing . So my great aunt . Like 80s we're at a mcdonald's . This is like the . My family is very different than me . They like to eat at mcdonald's and swish la and they like to watch dancing with the stars .

Jenna Smith 1:39

Anyway , they're like sit on the couch and watch life people , and I'm like I can to go live life , but anyway she's lovely , she's funny . We're sitting in this mcdonald's spending time with great aunt . She's chewing , she goes . What do you think about man buns ?

Dai Manuel 1:56

and I didn't know what she ?

Jenna Smith 1:57

I didn't know . I thought she meant like the buttocks of the male species . I don't know what to do right now .

Dai Manuel 2:09

Oh my gosh , that is the best . Where'd it go ? Where'd the combo go ?

Jenna Smith 2:13

Oh , I just laughed and said that I was like I had no idea where we were going with this . But she was like you know , she said , with the use that she's trying to like , she's like what do you think about this man bun thing ? And I was like I don't know .

Dai Manuel 2:26

I don't know .

Jenna Smith 2:27

And her name's Fran , my great aunt Fran , oh nice .

Dai Manuel 2:32

I love that . Oh , I think it's a . That's a perfect way for us to begin . We're talking man buns here today on the 2% Solution podcast and listen . And for everybody that just tuned in in the intro I was mentioning , you're in for a treat today . Got a rock star here , jenna Jenna Smith , and she's a fellow Canuck , which also makes her just super awesome .

Dai Manuel 2:56

But also she's got a background as a remarkable creator of the resourcing and I got to say , because it's hyphenated , so the way that you say it , I love it . It's re sourcing method also shamanic , intuitive , spiritual psychotherapist and high performance coach . You know and and uh . But when I also found very interesting cause you as a creator . You're an author but also a singer . I'm just excited to have you here today , Jenna All the shades of color that you bring with you . So welcome to the show .

Jenna Smith 3:31

Thanks , I'm happy to be here .

Dai Manuel 3:34

Yeah , oh , my God , I've been looking forward to talking to you because I , you know , like I do with all my guests , I totally creep you online right and go to the rabbit hole of Jenna and I wanted to talk to you and I thought today would be great for the listeners . Um , because you know , the show is called the two percent solution and it's about these significant , yet sometime very short experiences that we have that can ultimately change the trajectory of our lives , and I know that you've had a two , two percent moment in your life where there was a big , big shift many , many , yes , but but literally around this going to more of a faith-oriented approach to , because I know that as coaches , as people that support others , you know , a lot of times it's more non-secular type work we do right .

Dai Manuel 4:26

Just because there's so many different people with different belief systems , it's a hard topic to navigate sometimes . And I was wondering if you could just share your story on that , Like because I think this also gets some great background into you professionally and some of the things that you're doing today .

Jenna Smith 4:40

Yeah , well , I mean when I think faith-based . So I like to use life like life is full of life and life has energy and life talks to us . And so I was raised Roman Catholic , which could be , I believe , in many rivers to the same ocean . So whatever lights you up , whatever brings you peace and calm and centers you and resources , you'm all in on all of the paths . So , but for me , sitting in the church and being talked at by a dude at the front that I couldn't understand , and I'm sitting and standing like I'm a creative rebel , so I'm just like I do what I want , you know .

Jenna Smith 5:20

But I felt spirit in nature and in music , like that's where I was , like lit up , timeless space , like connected . You know where you're out of your personality . So , but I've come from a family of a lot of trauma , so that access of spirit okay , I'm not this personality , I'm not this history , I'm not what's happened to me is crucial to not being broken or not being like oh , I guess this is just the life I'm going to live , oh , I guess I should just marry that guy , because then I won't have to deal with it . My spirit stayed online enough because of nature and music and then later energy work .

Jenna Smith 6:08

I learned energy work when I was 15 , after a car accident , so I had chronic pain and then the doctors were like , oh , you're just gonna have to deal with it . I'm like I don't , I don't think that makes sense . Like just my brain was just like I don't think that actually makes sense , like I'm just gonna have to deal with it . So then I found , like what came to me , synchronicity is . You know , if people are familiar with the term synchronicity , it's , it's a life event . That is , it's like more than a coincidence , it's like for you , it's going to enhance , it's going to give you a pivot , a 2% pivot , right , we don't have these two percent pivots all the time I don't think I think life is constantly talking to us and so do we know how to listen ?

Jenna Smith 6:49

it's really where I come in , you know , clearing off those receivers . But I had to walk that path on my own . So , learning reiki at age 15 , starting to understand the energy body , which I already knew , I already knew there was something more . I already knew I could feel other people's feelings , but it was so confusing and weird and I felt like a weirdo . So like I feel their sadness , I'm like are you sad ? They're like no , no , I'm not sad , I'm like I don't know what to do .

Jenna Smith 7:18

So none of it's cool when you're young , like being intuitive and being connected to spirit Isn't that fun Because it's confusing . But that eventually everything started to add up and I'm like , oh , reiki , oh , we are an energy body , oh , this , that . And I just follow those like soul crumbs . I mean there's so much more to the story . But living I know you heard on an energetic level . So we've got like our spiritual , mental , emotional , physical right and I'm a pragmatic , solution oriented person . So when I heard when you work on the energetics , it works on all the levels at the same time , I was like you don't say let's go that way . So , like that just convinced me . Okay , and then it's true , you can if you , and Dr Joe Dispenza is now approving this , and there's a lot of science that's catching up HeartMath Institute that's showing heart coherence , nervous system regulation .

Jenna Smith 8:16

So I was younger I'm 42 now so when I was younger , this wasn't a thing Like yoga wasn't a thing , chakras weren't a thing , like talking to your soul was weird . I felt like people thought it was witchy , but it felt right , right , like it felt right . So that's , I mean , that's the origin story of spirit being a central focus . But then you've got to manage your humanness . So that's where the psychotherapy comes in and that's where personal development comes in and the high performance is . I did my degree in music , which doesn't necessarily mean you're going to make money , which I found out the hard way .

Jenna Smith 8:55

I did philosophy and English lit , so it's all good , I loved taking philosophy , I was like , dude , I just totally geeked out on philosophy and psychology and all these other things that I would have a career in . But I had 40K in debt and was like , oh , but I was in the gym all the time because I had to be hot to be a singer , because that's just what society says . I mean , it's not not true ? But I was in the gym all the time and people start asking me questions and being like , how do I do this ? I don't know , maybe I could do a career in this . How do I do this ? I thought , oh , maybe I could do a career in this . Eh , um , did personal training and then I did my psychotherapy , then I did ontological coaching , but all of those breadcrumbs of like taking me to the next thing , taking me to the next thing , yeah , um , I was going to say something about that that was singing , and then I got distracted by my life story come back .

Dai Manuel 9:41

It'll come back , we'll come back to it . It's all good yeah .

Jenna Smith 9:44

Yeah , so I mean there's just a lot that brought me the skill set that I have . Oh , high performance . So athletic high performance . I learned a lot from like cool trainers . But then singing like how to be a high performer is actually boring simple things done regularly and then it looks really cool in those moments that people can see .

Jenna Smith 10:07

But anyone else who's an actual high performer knows oh , you do boring crap at 5am . Yeah , you do boring crap at 5am , and it's not maybe always 5am In my case . I like sleeping in , and I've created a career where I can have time freedom so that I can do what I need to do , to be who I am , which are all things that I honestly believe everyone can do . It'll look different for everybody , because it's supposed to .

Dai Manuel 10:33

Well , and I appreciate everything you just shared and I know there's a couple of things I wonder if you could elaborate a bit , because I just think your perspective but also the experiences that you've navigated , I know it's all part of who we are and ultimately it impacts us to want to do the things that we are typically doing . You know , in helping others that's the wonderful thing about a hero's journey . You know we end up getting somewhere and then inevitably we end up on the other side of whatever that thing is .

Jenna Smith 11:01

Yeah .

Dai Manuel 11:01

And then we turn around and it's like my gosh , there's like a hundred people back there waiting to get started . I just feel the need to go help you know , and but there's usually something very profound that's happened and and I know that you have experience with an autoimmune condition , fibromyalgia , um but also you hinted to family trauma and , if you're open to it , could you just speak a bit more to that , because I know that was a big part of also why you do what you do today .

Understanding Trauma and Self-Worth

Jenna Smith 11:27

Absolutely , and why I am trauma informed Like you can't . Can you speak ?

Dai Manuel 11:33

to trauma real quick , though . Just real quick as a coach , as someone that's been working in this field for a long time , because I think a lot of people hear the word trauma or they hear the word trigger .

Jenna Smith 11:45

And word trauma , or they hear the word trigger , and , and it's like it's almost buzzwords now .

Dai Manuel 11:47

Like this piece , it is all right and and I don't know if anyone really ever talks what it actually is , you know yeah , it's just presumed that we all get it it is presumed and it's overused like it's not if starbucks gets your , your coffee order wrong .

Jenna Smith 12:02

Trauma is the inability to process something and then most simplest terms , hence the resourcing method . So , um , or in particular , there's a threat to yourself , there's a threat to other , even if it's psychological right , a threat to love being taken away , a threat of isolation . So this also sounds very big . But trauma is the wound . The psychological , mental , emotional wound , sometimes spiritual , gets stuck , it just , it gets boom like it's frozen in your being and then so there's the wound . Then on top of the wound are all of the ways you have to survive now that you have this wound . So there's origin trauma , the wound , which not a lot of people ever get to . They keep healing the symptoms , they keep healing the layers , thinking , oh , I've done it , that's a layer , perfectionism , overthinking chronic caring , what people think , those are all trauma responses and so you just essentially don't feel safe being yourself in the world . Right , so it could .

Jenna Smith 13:20

There could be a case made that we're all socially traumatized , that we're not enough . Yeah , in some way , because the metrics of success of society are so transactional . Like you're not enough because you're enough , you're enough because I'm a psychotherapist . Like my worth isn't contingent on me being a psychotherapist . My worth is my worth . So , socially , though , so many people think they have to earn their worth and earn love and earn that , so there's like a deep sense of disconnect , and fragmentation is also key to trauma . You've parts of you fragment and as you resource the , hence the resourcing method yeah , as you resource , you create the conditions for healing .

Jenna Smith 14:05

Healing means wholeness , not fixing , and a lot of people that get into trauma .

Dai Manuel 14:09

Thank you for saying that , jenna . Thank you . The amount of people I hear say , man , I'm broken and I'm like . You're not broken , like .

Jenna Smith 14:17

I don't believe anybody's broken .

Dai Manuel 14:19

You know , like really that term just triggers me , but that's like a deep .

Jenna Smith 14:25

I would call that . Your soul can be traumatized by the way and people are like , oh , that hurt my soul . I'm like that's not a thing , your soul's fine . Your soul's fine . Your humanness is like ouch , Because it believes in its separateness , it believes it's not lovable , it's believing the thought . No-transcript deep breath . That's the bleed you broke .

Dai Manuel 15:07

This is good , though . I like this because that question of worth and self-worth , it is such a . You know , I always tell people there's three questions you want to ask yourself if you want to start navigating change , and the first one's like can I do it ? Can I do the change ? And then second is if I do it , will it work ? But the third one is the change worth it ? It's like we're applying the change .

Jenna Smith 15:29

Who's it for ?

Dai Manuel 15:31

Well , this is it Really . I think we need to rephrase that question to say am I worth it ?

Jenna Smith 15:36

But we all get stuck on that question and is it for me ? Because a lot of my 20s was like , oh , I'm really good at this thing . I should do this thing . It's like that's not why you can't do something .

Jenna Smith 15:48

That's not why . Is it for me ? Is it for me and I ? So I was trained by shamanic healers . Yes , and and I didn't go seeking that out , by the way , like it was they came . They came into my world . So there's a whole other podcast on that .

Jenna Smith 16:08

But essentially I was receptive to the opportunities life would give me . I would be able to hear there's something in that for me . I'm going to go to that thing . So I was able to override the voice in my head that's like I don't know why I don't belong there . I was able to just go . No , I'm going to that thing to learn these things that are for me . So in the shamanic world it's like everything's connected , everything's whole and complete . You can talk to life itself at any time , and then there's soul . Retrieval is a thing , but in psychotherapy it's the same thing . You do inner child work . You do inner parts work . Now , inner parts work is becoming really popular and everything like that . But I want to go back to this idea of like really popular and everything like that . But I want to go back to this idea of like that we're not broken . When I learned the shamanic principles , that was the keystone piece , that was the 2% piece with that . Where in Roman Catholicism do this , do that and God will love you or you're ?

Dai Manuel 17:00

going to hell .

Jenna Smith 17:02

God loves you . How can you not be ? Your heart is beating right now . If you actually look at the facts , you're not flying off the planet . Something loves you , something's making your existence worthwhile . Your existence isn't random . The engineering of a human being alone is magnificent . But just this belief that , oh , I'm broken , it needs to be this . But then the shamanic belief there's no good or bad , there's usable energy and unusable energy . Oh , that too much guilt . That's kind of unusable , holding on to that grudge from that teacher in grade three . Kind of unusable energy . It's preventing you from being fully present in the moment as yourself . So everything's bringing you back to wholeness . So back to that

Healing Trauma and Finding Wholeness

Jenna Smith 17:52

like . Healing doesn't mean fixing , it means wholeness . Life wants you to be whole . Life is always going to give you opportunities to see your own wholeness . But most people just don't know how to do it . Hence the resourcing method . Like that's why I created that , because your resources need to match your challenge . So trauma is when your resources don't match your challenge .

Dai Manuel 18:11

So I want to get into this .

Jenna Smith 18:13

I know that we said so much .

Dai Manuel 18:15

And yeah , no , but this is , this is good , because this conversation around trauma right , Like I just think it's . I really appreciated how you described that , Thank you .

Jenna Smith 18:25

First of all , Jenna .

Dai Manuel 18:27

But second to that , you know , when we think about trauma and the triggering of trauma , like how we constantly seem to go back and relive those moments a clinician by any means , but I am aware that there are certain conditions and and like I , I've read a lot of books on this you know like the body keeps score right . Like there's certain books , which is which talks a bit about the science of trauma but also how how does it manifest in us ?

Dai Manuel 18:59

Right and and I guess what I'd like to ask you , because I know you've helped so many people with this , but also helped yourself and you know it's always the first one .

Dai Manuel 19:08

you got to help , right and ? And well , what's the first thing to do ? To even acknowledge that . You know what ? Maybe I've got some unprocessed trauma , because and I'm asking this , and let me just qualify this a little bit you know , being someone that's been around men's groups for a long time , a long time , and I I again , I'm a man who identifies as a man and I'm speaking for men right now but then , like I've been around and and I will hear people sharing things at manuscripts and like , yeah , there's something there , man , there's like some serious scar tissue there , and because you start to see , you can feel it also , you can see it coming back again and again .

Dai Manuel 19:43

right , this underpinning but , yet they will not acknowledge that there might be trauma . You know , be like it's almost because there's like this stigma . Now again , as men , you're correct .

Dai Manuel 19:57

Yeah , I can't speak for for other genders right now , but this is just what I've been observing , okay , and , and so I was wanting to get your opinion . You know , like what , what are your thoughts on not only this idea of trauma , but also how can we start to get real with ourselves that maybe we have some trauma , like , is there a way to figure it out , like to know that , hey , I've got something here that needs to be ?

Jenna Smith 20:19

processed Like it's , when it becomes not tolerable anymore . Like it honestly .

Dai Manuel 20:23

there's no like there's no magic thing Like I can pick up like a little sheet and say , oh , there , it is every so often .

Jenna Smith 20:30

Well , they're not . If you go inside your body and you say , show me what I'm not seeing , it'll show you actually , but you have to like , you can't think . You have to go into your body , and so part of the resourcing method is your body sensations , your heart access , that , that port , that actual energetics of the heart center , your spirit or how life talks to you , and managing and taming and training the mind . I just say that so that people can understand what that is when I'm talking about it .

Jenna Smith 20:59

Um , if you go in and you and you sit with a pen and paper and you're like what , what's not unprocessed for me , it'll come up . It might take a minute , you might need to do it every day for seven days , but if you're willing to look at it , your whole system , your whole body , your whole being will go game on , game on . But most people need to have their life just screwed up with , like , just like . They can't keep going on the way they're going . That's the fifth relationship where the girl cheated on them . Maybe there's a Covenant Dominator happening here . That's for me and I'm not laughing at people's pain there , but it's just like laugh at the how . Life will just keep benevolently showing you the crap you need to look at so you can be your whole and complete self Whenever you want to start . But most people need to have a breakdown . By the time people will find me it's like they've done all the things , they've tried all the things . They're smart , they're capable , they're the high achievers .

Dai Manuel 21:59

Yes .

Jenna Smith 21:59

They've done all the things and I'm still this and this and this and this . I feel like I'm in a basement . There's a hurricane coming . I feel like there's this , like something's got to change , but I don't know how to do it . And so there's this extreme willingness , but before that moment , by the way , you're experiencing denial . So the shame is so big . Don't ever take someone's bandaid off . So it's just because you see someone's pain doesn't mean that they're ready to see it . Just just watch people see them as capable , that life will do its thing with them I , I appreciate that .

Dai Manuel 22:38

Thank you , uh , because you're right , did it say I I appreciate that because you're right again and again , yet not taking action to make the changes . Yeah , and I , I , I get to own it Like I have been an asshole at periods of my life , you know , like I know that about myself and I can laugh about it .

Dai Manuel 23:13

And , and I guess this conversation around trauma because I think there's a lot of us that go around with baggage that we've been lugging around and my , you know , my , my rollers are broken . So I'm like literally dragging this suitcase now and , uh , um , and , and I guess you know , what I'd like to hear from you is like why the hell do we just keep dragging the shit around ? Like what is the point ?

Jenna Smith 23:37

like I don't hurt . The alternative is too scary . Like what is the alternative ?

Dai Manuel 23:41

though , like to be free to feel it . To feel it , to feel it . No , the alternative . So you're . I know how to drag this heavy thing and I know how to cont .

Jenna Smith 23:46

Free to feel it , to feel it , to feel it , no , the alternative .

Jenna Smith 23:47

So you're , I know how to drag this heavy thing and I know how to contort to life and I know how to smile when I'm sad and I know how to get that shit done . I call it a mind dominance . Mind dominance is that what I call that ? A mind dominant society , which is what an asshole is , what's the thing ? But there's no action , there's no embodiment , there's no responsibility , because there's some stuff preventing them from being able to handle failure , being able to handle self-relationship . I'm gonna do this for myself . Self-worth is gonna come up , self-love is gonna come up and self-love is gritty . It's not bubble baths and like stuff like that .

Dai Manuel 24:25

I mean me working out and sitting in the sun in the morning . That's not what I mean . But you know what I mean . It's not this glamorous thing .

Jenna Smith 24:34

It's this really like gritty transformational process that goes through phases where you don't want to I think self-care and self-love get confused you know , like I really do think those two are used interchangeably .

Dai Manuel 24:46

Yeah , I think you're right . It's watered down what , what that self-love get confused .

Jenna Smith 24:46

You know , like I really do think those two are used interchangeably . Yeah , I think you're right .

Dai Manuel 24:47

It's watered down what that self-love really means .

Jenna Smith 24:50

Like transformation , is the caterpillar being turned into goo in a dark pod . It's gross With no guarantee of what's going to happen after .

Dai Manuel 25:05

Right .

Jenna Smith 25:06

That's my job , that's my wheelhouse , like I understand that .

Dai Manuel 25:11

Okay , let's talk resourcing . Okay , I know we've been stirring around this , so talk about how . So why ? Why ? Why the resource ?

Jenna Smith 25:22

method .

Dai Manuel 25:23

Like I'm just curious like , why ? Like , obviously there's a story to this and we've talked about it , but , but I always , I'm always fascinated with creators , and people like yourself like it . But why that like ? Why , like , I'm always fascinated how that come to me , you know . So let's , let's talk about that , about how it works .

Jenna Smith 25:39

Yeah , so when I when I done my , I done shamanic training , spiritual psychotherapy training , and then I did a second psychotherapy training in trauma and foreign work work . When I came back from Peru long story they're like , oh , you've done all this but you need to heal your chakra , you need to heal your lower chakras , you need to heal some more trauma I was like , darn it , what the what I've done all this work ? I was like , okay , game on , Actually fun story , just a circle story . That therapist I was looking for a specific person to train me in addictions and disassociative , like the hard stuff , because I wanted more training in that she was down the street from me in Toronto . So I came back from Peru she was starting in two , said her name is Barbara Forrest at the Life Space Institute . She's amazing . She said your resources need to match your challenge and at that point I still had unresolved trauma I was super annoyed by and my dad had just died by suicide , actually just the year prior .

Dai Manuel 26:44

So , yeah .

Jenna Smith 26:46

So , like you know I was , I was more resourced , I had done my ontological coach training , I had a great group of friends . But to just know someone's in that much pain , like the extreme of trauma , of like I'm out , like I got nothing , I got to go Right , that much pain the resources need to match the challenge it just like .

Dai Manuel 27:10

So can you just provide an example for your own experience ? What , what , what was that for you ? You know , like what was the resources that you ended up matching ?

Jenna Smith 27:17

well in that moment . So in my childhood I didn't have someone to teach me how to feel , feelings , or telling you know like I didn't have resources .

Jenna Smith 27:24

So it becomes trauma and then you survive and you create personas and you get by , and that's what I really help with . People Like okay , you became the smart one , you became the funny one , but who ? But is there a gap where you had to be the smart one and so you're not good enough if you're not ? So that's early childhood trauma . This point I was 29 .

Jenna Smith 27:45

I had a psychotherapy degree . I had therapists , I had good friends . Those are resources . I had the ability to process feelings . I had the ability to access spirit when everything felt like too much . So I had developed resources .

Jenna Smith 28:03

Still was hard . I still had to add more , add more resources . Go , take another psychotherapy program . And so the capacity building , the ability to build our capacity , is what resources are . So I had the right friends , the right sort of knowledge , the right sort of embodiment , also the ability to go .

Jenna Smith 28:24

I'm not going to know how to do this at every moment Like that wisdom of embodiment . Also the ability to go I'm not going to know how to do this at every moment Like that wisdom of whoa today feels like to know that grief moves in crazy weather patterns , kind of like what we're having right now in the world and it's just okay . Today's a bad day Doesn't mean tomorrow is going to be that discernment . My dad didn't have . Today's a bad day . Tomorrow's going to be a bad day . Every day is going to be like that discernment . My dad didn't have . Today's bad day . Tomorrow's going to be a bad day . Every day is going to be a bad day . I'm done so . The resources need to match the challenge , and that made me feel not broken too . Oh , I don't think it was wrong . So the name of my book whenever it's going to be done . It's been five years so far . Writing it is called it's Not your Fault and Nothing's Wrong with you . Good title , thanks .

Jenna Smith 29:07

It's long , but it's what I want to say Like it's not your fault , that deep shame like , oh I'm getting something wrong . Oh , there's something to do . Oh , I got to live my life purpose . Oh , I got to , there's something wrong with you . Like it's not your fault and nothing's wrong with you . We're , in a mind-dominant , disconnected from resources . On a social level , on a pandemic level , we are disconnected from our resources and we're responding in such depression , anxiety , over-consumerism , obesity , like we're just freaking , trying to get by without the resources we were born with .

Dai Manuel 29:40

Do you feel that social media is also having an impact ?

Jenna Smith 29:43

Yeah , but it's just a mirror .

Dai Manuel 29:46

A mirror of the bullshittery we've been doing Bull such a good word it's been happening the whole time , like it's just showing it more right . Yeah , the media , you're right . Yeah , that media influence , it's , it really hasn't changed , it's just it's amplified right and it's showing ourselves ourselves . These are your values yeah , let's talk about your program , okay like I , I'm more so I I'm curious to know . What does it entail ?

Dai Manuel 30:14

right and and also , how does it help your clients reconnect or , more appropriately , probably , rediscover their own resources , you know , for their own specific challenges ? So , yeah , I'd love to hear more about this well , it's for all humans , so humans that want this .

Jenna Smith 30:34

It's humans that want this , humans that don't want this , humans that want to like prove me wrong or like exercise their ego power . I'm like you just go home , just go away . Yeah , it's like humans that want this , humans that are done with the struggle , are done being doing all the things but never feeling good enough . You know , feeling appreciated by the outside world but never feeling it , never receiving it fully inside . So it is um a self . So currently I'm running the resourcing certification for other coaches , therapists . It's not a coach training , it is just these tools that can be added to any other yoga teachers , people that already have been walking the walk and talking the talk and working with other humans that want a toolkit that matches

Navigating Mind Dominance and Being

Jenna Smith 31:19

this .

Jenna Smith 31:19

So the concept is that we're in a mind dominant society and everyone's coming at it mind dominant . So we got to learn how to turn up the lantern . So the philosophy is you're not broken , right ? So if you turn up the lantern to your body sensations , get those online , get your heart online , get yourself fully and completely present here and now with all your resources . Get those online . So that's the system . Get yourself back online . Then you tame and train the mind like it's a puppy . It's a cute little thing that doesn't know any better . So it's like freak it out about this . All the tabs are open and that's trainable , right .

Jenna Smith 31:55

But mindset isn't alone and you can't outthink old pain . So now we've got to add the capacity to feel feelings and the heart center is . Actually . There's a difference between your hurt center , all of the old , unprocessed stuff that's in your body and in your energy field that wants to be released , that wants to be made whole , that wants you to let go . That's what life wants for you , that's what your body wants for you .

Jenna Smith 32:16

Most people have body judgments , shame denial . There's a lot of gremlins in there . It's like going into this big scary forest and that's why I help with a lantern or light or whatever and I'm like I got this forest . I understand , which is traditionally kind of like what a more shamanic thing is . The ability to see in the dark has been one of the ways to see that . So the resourcing method is a process and then there'll be a self-study . Once I'm done the certification training , I'll have the self-study available so people can just learn the tools and then my goal is to have more resourcing , certified people that then they could find them and say , hey , can you walk me through this , because we are in a toxic independent society as well . I can do it myself .

Jenna Smith 33:04

I've got this . Look what I did . And you're meant to walk with people . That's the huge resources , your community and your connections and we are meant to be . We're part of nature , like we literally are the most vulnerable mammal , like a baby will not survive . You're like , look at other mammals , like pop out of the mom and they're like all right , I'm alive . Like they'll be fine in a year , less than a year . We're not . We need connection , but we've been taught not to have connection or that it's a value , and so we also need to let that go . But when you connect to your nature and you connect to your source , which is all here already now , waiting for you to connect to it , that's what's cool about it . You walk towards it . It'll walk 10 steps towards you , it's it . It's like it's not mind dominant . Mind dominant is if I do this , I get this and then I do this and it'll take me three months because I'll do this and this .

Dai Manuel 33:56

It's very boring and slow very analytical , like it's just very just the analytical mind balance , check balance yeah , we are so much more than that .

Jenna Smith 34:05

So imagine all these people just living from this mind little place that has so many problems with it . It's like a minefield with fun house mirrors . That's not how you're supposed to live . You're supposed to be able to have your workout and sit in the sun and be like , oh my God , this sun feels so good .

Jenna Smith 34:21

And just enjoy that moment . That's what you're meant to do . That's your being . That's your purpose . Your purpose is to be you . That's your purpose . Your purpose is to be you . That's another part of that's a chapter in the book your purpose isn't something .

Dai Manuel 34:38

Life You've been a professional , you for however long life has given you clues of what is , for you , so well said , and and you know , I appreciate everything you just shared and I I keep thinking why let me put it this way I I know that there's a principle where you talk about us as human beings , we get stuck in in the doing rather than the being . I believe that's what I I've read , yeah , you've said many times . And why , like ? How does that manifest ? What does that look like for everyday individuals , or particularly the high performers ?

Jenna Smith 35:12

You wake up oh yeah , so me before transformation . You wake up at seven and you're already late and there's something you have to get to and there's this like chronic anxiety that you think is normal . All the files are open , all the things you have to do . The experience of overwhelm is a sign . The experience of overwhelm is a sign . The experience of overthinking , the experience of um , people pleasing , um , are all signs of this happening . Um , so yeah , so like mind . Dominant people are the majority of society . Where what am I getting done ? Did it go to this ? Their ability to be with their kid while it's , while tying the shoes , isn't there . It's just about getting the car and then , when I'm in the car , gotta do this and then it's .

Jenna Smith 35:52

It's like the noise yeah there's so much noise , like I was just . I had a um discovery call with someone yesterday and she was just saying all the things like my kids say I'm not fun because she's , she's being a good mom , she's getting everything done , she's getting them ready , she's , but she's not there and they're like I just want mom here . You know , there's like just a certain point where it's like life and death experiences . That's why music and art and nature is that's life and we're trying to squish it into . Getting shit done and not getting it wrong and not making mistakes like those are the metrics of success for most people , because it's not their fault , nothing's wrong with them . They just were taught that Get an .

Jenna Smith 36:36

A , that's right , get it right . They don't know any better . Their mind needs to be trained to receive from life again . And it's scary because this is how you've existed and this is how you got here , this is how you've lived and this is how you got here . This is how you , you know , this is how you've lived . So it's that unknown is scary , but it's so worth it , like you don't want to just get stuff done . Yeah , it's not what life is for . So people get that sense of like they have a um I don't know .

Jenna Smith 37:05

They get a health test and they think they might have cancer and then they don't have cancer . Well , that's a moment . Who am I ? What do I want to do ? How do I want to live ? How do I want this morning to go ? So being so ontology so I didn't say that I'm an ontological coach . So it's two-year training , 15 to 20 hours , two transformation weekends . It's no joke . Coach training , that's intense Stream coach training and then you get spit out the other side , having this sense of like you are your essence , and then you get to create this stuff and then you get to be while you're doing . So we want to get to being .

Jenna Smith 37:48

This is Michael Singer is great . Listen to Michael Singer , he's got this . Eckhart Tolle is great to get to being . This is Michael Singer , it's great . Listen to Michael Singer , he's got this . Eckhart Tolle is great to listen to , but he doesn't have as much of the practical . So you're just kind of like , yeah , okay , dude , but once you get it , you hear him and you go oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , that makes sense , I get that . Once you can't think your way to to being , it's an experience , experience , life is experiences , and so those two percent things are brilliant and powerful . It's how nature works . It's consistent , it's rhythmic , it's not all or nothing . It's like yesterday was a yesterday was a 40 capacity day for me . Like I had 40

Exploring Mindfulness and Self-Awareness

Jenna Smith 38:25

. I was just not all all cylinders because I spoke on the weekend and then I didn't rest enough . I do it too .

Dai Manuel 38:33

We all do , I feel fine , I don't need to rest Anyone who's a speaker or they've done that marathon .

Jenna Smith 38:40

you need to rest in the SCA . And I'm not really a type A person . I'm like this artist that also likes to get you know . So it's interesting watching my own reality . But it was a 40% day so how I related to reality on that day had to adjust . So people that are like all or nothing , so all or nothing thinking , black or white thinking , has to be this attachment to outcome . Those are all things people experience . They're not fun . You're like strangling life out when that's your , your , your normal .

Dai Manuel 39:14

Awesome . I feel like you're speaking to me Well , and I say this because I am aware of that tendency , especially when I was younger , you know , in my late twenties right through to my mid thirties . Yeah , that was very much me . Right through to my mid-30s , yeah , that was very much me , you know .

Dai Manuel 39:34

and then I made some big shifts and pivots , but it's amazing how quick the old programming can override you when one I'm hungry , I'm tired , hungry , angry , lonely , tired , yeah like it's incredible , like , but I default back to that mode , right , and yeah , and I catch myself in it and and I I'm grateful that I can at least catch myself doing it , because I think that's a big part of what we're talking about here is being mindful , aware that , okay , there's something here I gotta change , as you had with that lady yesterday .

Dai Manuel 40:00

I mean , she's she got her kids reminding her mom , you're no fun , you know like this , but she doesn't know how to change it right , hence her needing a guide that makes sense and this is my question to you okay is because the two percent solution we're , we're as we're starting to get in the end and I I feel like we could literally have a tim ferris rogan four hour talk , uh , but my listeners would tune out because they know I try to always do it under an hour to to respect their time , um , but it just means I'm gonna get you back .

Dai Manuel 40:29

But what I'd love to ask you is , for those that are listening or watching this , what would be something that you'd suggest or recommend and this is probably something you do with your own clients to start experience more being and less doing , because I think that is really a crux of what a lot of us are challenged with , because I know in the doing we can be distracted enough to avoid acknowledging all the other stuff that might be causing some pain , discomfort , yeah , unpleasantness or lack of fulfillment .

Jenna Smith 41:01

Right .

Dai Manuel 41:03

Because I know when we do a bunch of stuff and keep our days really full , it's like you just don't have time to think about it , you don't have to think about it or listen to your soul , as your life knows , talk to you and be like hey , hey so what ? What would you recommend ? What , what would ? Okay so it's first first few steps . Anyways , I know we can't figure it all out in one no , no , no , no , but this is like I have .

Jenna Smith 41:23

like the main tools are , if you go to my website , jennasmithcoachingcom you , you'll get the journal prompts .

Dai Manuel 41:28

All the show notes . People Got to go check those out .

Jenna Smith 41:31

The journal prompts and then paying attention to your body . So there's a lot of people that do yoga and meditate , but here's the thing they do it from their mind , dominant self . The key is to pay attention . So I'm just going to give you this right now . So , like , wiggle your toes , feel , feel that happen and then stop and then feel that and then wiggle them again and then feel that , and so it's . It's so super , it's like nails on a chalkboard for a mind dominant person . What are we doing ? Why are we doing it ?

Jenna Smith 42:03

This is stupid , and so the noise and the pop-ups are going to try to distract you back into bringing what your attention to , like social media . What about this ? What about this ? What about this ? Like that's just an untrained mind , that you keep bringing your attention to something , whether it's your foot , whether it's like you know , but your body is kind of , it's kind of like that's that , like that's your presence , that's grounded , that's re-regulating . So bringing your attention to your body . And then things like breath . Honestly , my opinion is breath work and all of these things are just ways to babysit the mind so it thinks it's doing something .

Dai Manuel 42:44

I really believe that that I , I , uh I'm only laughing because , uh , I I've got I know a number of people that are are like , they do great breathwork sessions , like , and I've participated in a few and I'm like , wow , those are awesome , yeah . But as soon as I get out of it , I'm right back to it .

Jenna Smith 43:04

That's the point I'm all about retraining your relationship to reality and giving you the resources to do it on your own . So if it's , you know , but you can bring all these resources to those things , all of those things are great . Don't not do them . But most people will just be like , oh yeah , I did the thing and then all the noises come back . So , to start , you want to bring your attention to your body and then , if you want to do a double , bring your attention to the space between the front of your chest and your back shoulder blades , so that's your heart center .

Jenna Smith 43:30

Oh , and I forgot to say that your hurt space is ever all the unprocessed stuff . Your heart space is untaintable , completely resourceful energy . It's the portal between you and life . It's the internet , it's the hub . So when you can bring your attention to it , it will regulate you , it will process old , old emotions . Might not be comfy , but that space , and then you want to turn up the lantern to that so that that which you aren't falls away . So bringing your attention there through experience , feel wonder .

Jenna Smith 44:01

All of these are things you're not going to be good at at first . So , like , start with 30 seconds . So bringing your attention to those things , your attention is everything . That's why everyone's trying to grab it from you . Yes , so the more you do this , the less you out , so hence the resourcing method . People outsource their truth when they're in survival , when they're just trying to get shit done . When you do this , you know how to source from source and you know how to source from you , because they're the same thing , and then you can live from whenever I hear you talk , I'm yes , yes , yeah , it's supposed to do that .

Dai Manuel 44:41

Well , and that's the thing , and and I think it's awesome , because I'm sure there's people listening to this right now that yes , okay , yes , I want to experience life more and and stop doing more to distract myself from the life . I'm not being present to you . You know like and what would be your invitation to them to get started ?

Jenna Smith 45:01

Uh , book a call . I'm still available for a few sessions , a few opportunities to work with me before I get the resourcing certification up and running , and then I'll be singing and speaking more in the next three to five years , so there's that whole other show about that . So , but I am still available now in the next year to work with people one-on-one if they feel really compelled to want to get it permanently , because the thing is , once we're done , you're done . Yeah , you've got it , it's , it's , it's installed yes , because that's true .

Dai Manuel 45:33

You can't unlearn once you understand . I mean especially not this because it's not your mind .

Jenna Smith 45:37

It mind . It's reinstalling who you actually are and all the resources you were born with and forgot , and all the resources you developed while being mind dominant , get used in a whole other way . Yeah , which is super cool , it's very exponential . Yeah , it's very exponential .

Dai Manuel 45:57

Yeah , and I know there's some people that will default to . Well , this sounds pretty woo-woo to me . It's really practical . But I find it interesting when I hear that , because I am guilty of saying that I know I have said that Me too .

Jenna Smith 46:13

Isn't that funny .

Dai Manuel 46:14

I am like the super-iest woo person , but I'm like , oh it's really yeah , but you know , and but the more that you look into this and you start to lean into what we're talking about , I think you start to realize this makes sense , like there's that that sort of um , gut , instinctual feeling that we get when we start to stumble across some of these modalities and and we can call it truths , but they have to be truths that you discover . You can't just read them , you can feel it .

Jenna Smith 46:46

Yes , so when I do a talk , I I I've I've observed this phenomenon that I lovingly called truth grunts .

Jenna Smith 46:54

So , people , I'll say something and they're like truth grunts so people I'll say something and they're like like there's like a yeah , there's some part of them that's saying yes , it just is is more than the mind . Like a recognition , like my goal is to have people recognize it , not think I'm the source . Recognize , oh yeah , that's true , that's already true for me . Cool , this person's helping me see my own truth . Not I've got the answers , payment money , like that's not it's not why I'm in this business .

Dai Manuel 47:27

You're a conduit , right yeah ?

Jenna Smith 47:29

I prefer that , like you're already whole and complete . I see you as capable . Let's get you the resources to match who you really are .

Dai Manuel 47:39

I yeah , this is man . I still have so many questions but I'm like nope , nope . Well , we gotta have to say that for the next show .

Jenna Smith 47:46

Ah , to be continued . It's like Netflix . We're like seriously , it's like , yeah , big hangar right now .

Dai Manuel 47:51

Boom , come back next season . Well , also because you got the book

Jenna's Exciting Future Plans

Dai Manuel 47:59

coming . I know you got all these performances that you're working on and speaking engagements , but what else that you're excited about for the next foreseeable future ? What's coming down the pipe of Jenna ?

Jenna Smith 48:05

Well , I am excited to get , so I have I created this room . I just got this built , so I have a little recording studio , oh yeah , and so I can upload stuff to YouTube and have stuff on spotify and get stuff recorded , because people like , oh , where can I see you sing ?

Jenna Smith 48:24

and I've been working william riley , who's selena's vocal coach , so , um , I feel like I'm actually at my vocal potential . So , you know , when you , as a high performer , you feel like no someone else can be impressed by it and I'm like , yeah , yeah , cool , but it just wasn't . You know , now I can hear it back and go , oh , wow , like I actually sound like me , I sound like my potential , which is super cool . So now I'm excited to share it , but before that I just was like it's not ready yet , not as a perfectionist , but as , like an artist , artist like let me just keep this behind until it really feels good . And so I'm just on that precipice . I bought diva jennacom . The url the diva and

Jenna Smith 49:10

uh , yeah , I might own 10 gowns you never know but I trained in classical and jazz , like that whole thing . So reawakening that part of myself . And then I'll be doing keynote shows where I will be singing not jazz hand style , it'll be very , it'll be a cool show , kind of like a one woman show , but again , not jazz hand . I don't like that . I like authenticity , good storytelling , good music to to help create the message , um , to get this message out to more people . To talk about the resourcing , to talk about my stories and how that brought me there . And add the music to add to it . And just , you know , my real life goal is to be a Disney princess and just like dress up and sing and talk to animals and I live near the lake and anyway I'm like kind of living this very soul aligned thing . But what's missing is getting out on the stages and sharing this with more people and having more YouTube things to share .

Jenna Smith 50:07

So my thing is sharing now Create content for YouTube , share all this kind of stuff , how to have difficult conversations , how to set boundaries like just the tools that I've learned in 15 years working with people . So less me in my house on my own being a Disney princess , more out there on stages yeah .

Dai Manuel 50:30

Awesome . Well , I'm excited to see that come to fruition . I already know it's happening , yeah , and it will continue to happen . But also those that are listening and watching this hey , you got an event coming up . Hello , awesome , reach out to the diva . Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , so people can hire me .

Jenna Smith 50:48

People can hire me to sing and amplify their audience , but , like , do you want them to feel right ? What do you want them to feel ? Okay , let's do this song . Are you going to ? Are they going to journal about their life purpose ? Okay , let's sing this song . Like , what song is going to create coherence in the audience in a way that speaking can't ? So that'll be another product .

Dai Manuel 51:07

I think it's great , it's an amazing product . I mean , it's a , it's an experiential product , right , and people want it . They don't want to be talked at for that long .

Jenna Smith 51:23

And so I had this idea before COVID and everything was all springing off and I was going to speak at a Lisa Nichols event and it was all starting to happen . So now I'm like circling back and but yeah , the music and experiences and three minutes , three minutes to create a state change , that's just is what it is , you know .

Dai Manuel 51:38

Yeah .

Jenna Smith 51:39

Yeah , so that's what I'm up to , and also I could get overwhelmed , and some days I do . And also the resources of the right record , the right producers , the right those are all coming into form , those at the right time , like I'm . So Thursday , that's tomorrow .

Dai Manuel 51:54

AKA tomorrow .

Jenna Smith 51:57

You know what I mean when you live your life , and it's just like I know it feel like a week . I'm like when I'm meeting with um , my piano player and my producer and we're getting the click tracks done . You know , he says like like , they're my favorite people , they're humans I want to hang out with , they're not . Just . Let me get this done . Right mind dominance , let me just find the right person .

Dai Manuel 52:15

No , let me find the right person so you know , thank you for being a great example . Thanks , you know . And role modeling uh , exactly because everyone , please do check out the show links . Uh , I've included the links to all of jenna's socials and her website where you can get those prompts , as well some other resources on her website that's where as well , if you book a call call uh we have questions about what we've talked about today .

Dai Manuel 52:38

You want some support , some resources , uh , or get you get resourced yourself . Um , definitely reach out to Jenna and uh , you know , jenna , I just got to say thank you for being here today . You know , I know it's been a lot of back and forth and man your grace .

Dai Manuel 52:53

So thank you for that and the patience , but also , you know , thanks for coming on and sharing a bit about your story , but also some of the experiences that you've had to create just this beautiful offering of things that can help all of us elevate humanity , you know , starting with ourselves , and so I just I admire very much what you're doing and so thanks for being here .

Dai Manuel 53:17

I like to give last words my guests , so is there anything you'd like to leave with the audience today ? That may be something that we didn't say that we should have , or anything that you'd like to leave them with .

Jenna Smith 53:27

Oh my gosh , like go have fun being you today , like leave this thing and just . There's nothing wrong , there's nothing needs to be fixed .

Dai Manuel 53:40

Just go be you in your life today . Beautiful . With that I was going to say drop the mic and peace out . No , I saw it . Jenna , thanks for being here today . Everybody that was listening . Make sure you reach out to Jenna , Let her know if you have any questions , any thoughts or comments on today's episode . I know she'd love to hear from you . And , yes , we'll have her back because that book's coming and I expect you to be on the show before it comes out so we can let everybody know what to expect . It . All right , Awesome . So , Jenna , have a great rest of your week and thanks for being here again .

Jenna Smith 54:11

Thank you .

Dai Manuel 54:15

Woo . Now , that was an enlightening conversation . Jenna's amazing from the power of reconnecting with our true selves to understanding and healing from trauma . Jenna shared so profound insights today . Remember , it's not about being perfect , it's about being whole .

Dai Manuel 54:32

Jenna's resourcing method is a game changer and I encourage all of you to explore it further . You can connect with Jenna on our website , jennasmithcoachingcom , and don't forget to check out her incredible resources and upcoming projects as well . I've made it really easy . Everything's linked in the show notes , as well as links to Jenna's social platforms . Do check her out , follow , connect , ask her questions . She's got so much value to offer and a lot of free resources as well to leverage . So if you like some of the things we talked about today , you're definitely going to want to check out her site and socials as well . If today's episode resonated with you , share it with someone who could benefit from Jenna's wisdom . And , as always , if you enjoyed the show , please leave us a review and subscribe to the 2% Solution Podcast for more transformative convos . And until next time , take those small steps towards big changes . And remember you're not broken , you're becoming whole . Thanks for tuning in . We'll see you in the next steps .